Bully Fucks My Mom
GENERAL DISCUSSION => Fapping Materials => Topic started by: clutterbuck52 on June 25, 2023, 07:29:23 PM
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I noticed a couple of authors here had used AI to help write stories with the AI contributing to a greater or lesser degree. So I figured I'd have a go.
So I went for the easiest option: Bing Chat. No downloads, no subscriptions, nothing to set up. At first Bing asked me for a genre, and I chose Drama to be on the safe side. I described the characters and the opening scene, and Bing thought it was a great idea for a story. It turned out to be a fun writing partner with lots of nice suggestions of its own. I went easy on the sex content, figuring I would add that later, so instead of saying "they fucked" I used expressions like "they were enjoying themselves" which Bing accepted willingly.
However, after a prompt with some bikinis and flirting, it generated some promising text before removing it again. When I asked why, it answered: I’m sorry, but I can’t show you the text because it violates the safety rules. The scene you described is too racy and inappropriate for me to write. I hope you understand and respect my limitations.
So Bing Chat only gets you so far.
So, I'd be interested to know, what are your experiences with writing with AI? Which AIs have you used and how far would it take You? And how explicit were you allowed to be?
I can post Bing's story if anyone's interested.
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Novel ai has gotten much better with Clio while Sudowrite has gotten much worse. Toolbaz is very popular here, though I'd prefer a longer ongoing story instead of just a short prompt. Both Novel ai and toobaz are very explicit.
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Great! Thanks. Toolbaz is cluttered with annoying ads, but NovelAI looks promising. Do you have an account or do you only use the free option? I guess the free one doesn't remember your sessions?
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Yes I had an opus account. I actually joined Novel AI in June 2021 right when they first opened. The new model should be better but I'm not sure when that's coming out, Clio is good but it's not perfect as it still lacks the coherence of GPT3-4 but those are annoying to get to do NSFW. I also do image to image generation on NAI, some cool stuff can pop out.
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Thanks! I must try out Novel AI. Sounds very promising.
And great images! Are the file names the actual image prompts? I see your point about coherence, with the missing nipples and extra arms and strange hands.
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Here is my full prompt
hot mom, milf, huge breasts, kissing her son's white bully, mom ntr, cuckold, cuckoldry, netorare, humiliation, embarrassed son, looking at breasts, smug, dark-skinned female, light-skinned male, jealous, blonde male, bully, mean, bad mom, jealous son, bullying, high quality, photo-referenced, breast sucking
You can try it out with a free account. Here's another example of image to image with the above tags. It's not perfect, just something to play around with.
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Very nice picture generating there, Uglyfucker! Too bad it doesn't respond to "kissing her son's bully". Also, does it only generate in that anime-style, not any photorealistic stuff?
I had another session with Bing Chat and it was a lot of fun. However it's strictly PG13 and all sex is hinted at. But it was quite happy with adding loud moans and shrieks coming from the daughter's bedroom, and added a mother/daughter deep kiss all of its own. But no wild raunchy raw sex with massive breasts and huge cocks. You'll have to edit them in on your own.
Now, stylistically it's quite flat, with short fifth grade sentences, but I told it to use longer sentences which improved things a lot. I'll definitely be playing more with it.
I have had a go at NovelAI without much luck. To me the user interface is very unintuitive, and I couldn't find any documentation on how to get started. I guess I'm a bit too dense to figure it out, but maybe some of you could give me some pointers?
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It does do photorealistic stuff but you can't add other characters to it unless you do the anime style.
In terms of the text ai, you really need to feed it a good prompt first before it will shoot anything good back at you. Like come up with an opening paragraph with the son and mom in the house in the morning or something, and then steadily increase the characters, adding a bully/friends etc. I dont use memory/note/lorebook but with Clio you dont really have to. The AI might think you want incest with the mom and son, or the son being gay with his bully, so you will have to keep steering it in the direction you want. I posted some of my stories in this thread, maybe it will influence you a bit. https://bullyfucksmymom.com/fapping-materials/novel-ai-vastly-improved-ai-writing-site-for-aspiring-erotic-writers/
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@Uglyfucker: a quick tip that really improved NovelAI for me is using author's notes. Before you start writing, make a quick author's note in square brackets with a plot synopsis. Something like:
[plot: a young man struggles and fails to defend his gorgeous stacked Latina single mom from the sexual advances of his white bully]
Style note's like: [author's style: pornographic, netorare, comedy, x, y, z] also help.
These notes will reduce the amount of steering you have to do. The AI will know the direction you want to go. Anything in square brackets gets fed to the AI but not as text of the actual story.
For image generation, I started out using NAI but have moved to mage.space and find it much better. It's basically a web app for running Stable Diffusion. Where NAI has three models, mage currently has 80 and can do every drawn style you can imagine plus true photorealism. Plus it's a flat $15/month without the anlas gimmick that NAI has. And it's also full nsfw capable. I recommend it.
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Thanks for the advice TNZ, I'll look into it.
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Ok, so I finally got NovelAI to work for me. The trick was to put necessary background information into the Memory bit such as theme, plot points, main characters, and then interact with the AI in the Editor. Once I got going it was a lot of fun, and felt like collaborating with a skilled and patient writer with a really dirty mind.
Big thanks to you, Uglyfucker for getting me through the gate. And to TNZ102 for the great tip.
By the way, do you have to use the square brackets in Memory or Author's Note? I only used Memory, and without any brackets and it seemed to work.
I'll be posting my story soon. But NAI did not correct my own spelling mistakes and typos, so I have to brush it up a little. NAI could probably do that for me too?
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I have Grammarly installed on my browser which takes care of that
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I have Grammarly installed on my browser which takes care of that
Sounds sensible. Thanks again, UF!
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Toolbaz is the best to generate outlines. Then I use GPT4 (which i pretty much can superprompt into saying whatever I want it too now. My friends say I'm an expert) to expand upon paragraphs ect.
I wouldn't trust Bing chat to write anything racy, its just too strict.
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No problem guys.
Clutterbuck: I believe author's note is weighted heavier than is the memory box. The square brackets are for when you want the AI to have some information but you don't want it to read it like it's part of the story. It's a way to give the AI something like stage directions.
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No problem guys.
Clutterbuck: I believe author's note is weighted heavier than is the memory box. The square brackets are for when you want the AI to have some information but you don't want it to read it like it's part of the story. It's a way to give the AI something like stage directions.
About Author's note and memory: So far I have put everything in memory, list of characters, plot points or synopsis, and style directions like that the story is told in the past tense, third person. But as I'm writing, it keeps getting confused about the relationship between the characters, which is the most annoying problem. Could I put the list of characters in the Author's Note instead, and then it wouldn't get so confused? And perhaps also the plot points, so it doesn't veer off in strange directions.
About square brackets: Do you use those "stage directions" in the Editor window? And are these directions only temporary?
Mostly I'm very impressed with how well it works, With some interactive writing, som editing in its responses, and frequent use of Retry, we get the story we want, and all in all it is a pretty fun process.
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I have Kobold.AI installed on my laptop, but I haven't really used it in months. Turns out, low-end gaming laptops from 5 years ago are only marginally capable of running relatively simple AI models. So when I learned of Verb.AI back in the spring, that became my default AI writer. Its not perfect, it tends to move fast & is a bit uncomfortable with explicit descriptions. It still does sex scenes, but makes it more 'respectable'. Instead of 'getting fucked by his huge cock', it would probably spit out something like 'getting penetrated by his large manhood' but you can nudge it back towards explicit with rewrites. I've had a lot of fun creating an outline with ToolBaz & having Verb expand it tenfold. Verb has been having technical difficulties for the last couple days. Hopefully its up and running again soon.
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Previously I tried used chiseleditor to write erotic short stories, it was pretty good. But after constant updates, it cannot even write the erotic stories. Such a bump. Any alternative?
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As you have probably gathered, I don't have much AI experience, and no expert advice to offer. I discovered NovelAI, and I'm having so much fun working with it I see no reason to explorer further. It is a very interactive process, and like I said elsewhere, it's like having a collaborator with a really dirty mind.
Hopefully we'll see lots of great new stories here on BFMM as more writers get into this way of writing.
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Does anybody know AI story generator tool similar to ToolBaz but with unlimited input?
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There's a limit to the input? I've used some pretty long prompts (guessing 50+ words) without issue.
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My story was complicated I guess, with more than 360+ words. I already shorten the sentences still I still want to put more to the story.
So does anyone know any tool similar to ToolBaz with even larger input?
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My story was complicated I guess, with more than 360+ words. I already shorten the sentences still I still want to put more to the story.
So does anyone know any tool similar to ToolBaz with even larger input?
360 words? Often as not that's about the size of the entire output for Toolbaz, at least in my experience. You have to keep in mind that these things are essentially an advanced version of autocomplete. They can still only think so far ahead without guidance.
Have you considered writing an outline & using Verb or something to flesh it out, piece by piece?
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360 words? Often as not that's about the size of the entire output for Toolbaz, at least in my experience. You have to keep in mind that these things are essentially an advanced version of autocomplete. They can still only think so far ahead without guidance.
Have you considered writing an outline & using Verb or something to flesh it out, piece by piece?
360 words output only? in my experience, the output can be up to 700 or 800 something. I never reach 900 though.
For my usual writing I use combination of NovelAi and expand it with Verb.ai. my last finish story was up to 29k words.
What other Ai writing tool do you guys usually use?
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What other Ai writing tool do you guys usually use?
try the gpt4all app. you can install it locally and run it with no internet if you want. free, open source and completely private. all the models are uncensored. it runs on cpu, designed for consumer-grade pc's
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try the gpt4all app. you can install it locally and run it with no internet if you want. free, open source and completely private. all the models are uncensored. it runs on cpu, designed for consumer-grade pc's
Thanks for letting me know about GPT4all app.
Do you know model is the best for NSFW? I tried Hermes, but too much repetitive.
Is there any tutorial on how to use it, because based on my experience It cannot take large input. If I put large input, only the several last sentences that used to make the output.
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Thanks for letting us know about gpt4all but it looks kinda sketchy :-\ I just don't trust any of the apps you install on your computer so I'll stick to novel ai.
Also you guys who have discord should check out Novel AI on there. https://discord.gg/novelai
Make sure to look into their presets too, I like adamantine, truthfully, wildcard, and 4chan's anon preset to go along with the pretty decent default ones. And also turn on dynamic range every once in a while to change up your stories.
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Thanks for letting us know about gpt4all but it looks kinda sketchy :-\ I just don't trust any of the apps you install on your computer so I'll stick to novel ai.
Also you guys who have discord should check out Novel AI on there. https://discord.gg/novelai
Make sure to look into their presets too, I like adamantine, truthfully, wildcard, and 4chan's anon preset to go along with the pretty decent default ones. And also turn on dynamic range every once in a while to change up your stories.
Funny ... I consider web-based stuff to be intrinsically less trustworthy than a program running off my computer.
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I like adamantine, truthfully, wildcard, and 4chan's anon preset to go along with the pretty decent default ones.
What are those?
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Thanks for letting me know about GPT4all app.
Do you know model is the best for NSFW? I tried Hermes, but too much repetitive.
Is there any tutorial on how to use it, because based on my experience It cannot take large input. If I put large input, only the several last sentences that used to make the output.
The 30b models work best for stories, the 13b models are mostly crap, including hermes. you can download models on hugging face and sideload them. the 30b uncensored wizard models are pretty good, there's others though. check their discord page for questions, prompt templates etc. it's NomicAI i think.
i think it's safe, i've had it for a while now and ive had no problems with it. The reason for its creation was to enable ppl to use llm's without needing to have 3090s or know python.
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The 30b models work best for stories, the 13b models are mostly crap, including hermes. you can download models on hugging face and sideload them. the 30b uncensored wizard models are pretty good, there's others though. check their discord page for questions, prompt templates etc. it's NomicAI i think.
i think it's safe, i've had it for a while now and ive had no problems with it. The reason for its creation was to enable ppl to use llm's without needing to have 3090s or know python.
Thanks for your prompt reply, but please bear with me as I don't quite understand.
I went to the hugging face website, and I have no clue how to navigate on their website. I'm not too sure how to know which model that has 30b. I don't know how to download the model and I don't even know how to install the model in the GPT4All.
Any chance if you can teach me one by one?
Thanks in advance
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sent u a pm
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KOBOLD AI is not bad
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I've written a few stories with NovelAI. Here's one about the party clown fucking the birthday boy's mom: https://rentry.org/ga2zx
I posted the prompt for it too on this site: https://aetherroom.club/5422 this way, if you have NovelAI, you can download the settings and premise for the story, and direct it or write it differently. I'd love to see if anyone were to make any alternate versions of this story, or any of the other "Local MILF" prompts I've made. Click on Export Options, then Download .scenario. Then in NovelAI or whatever you're using, you can import the .scenario file as a new story, and begin writing yourself. Once you're done, you can copy and paste your whole story here on this website for us to read: https://rentry.org/
Clio's new CFG update makes generations so much more interesting. This is the best time to start using NovelAI, especially since an even better text model will be coming soon apparently.
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Novel AI's Opus tier has access to their latest model, which has instruct just like gpt4 now. It's pricey but pretty good so far.
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do any of you guys use stable diffusion?
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I heard about NovelAI's new Kayra model and heard how good it is. And it is flat out good. The new model can produce prose and craft stories very well. I don't have much experience with it, I have only been playing with it for less than a week, but I can share my experience and what I have gotten out of it.
For reference, I purchased the Opus tier sub to access the latest model Kayra.
What is written below is just my experience with this AI model and a short description of some features that I think are cool. I can't speak to other AI models since I haven't tried any others (except AI Dungeon several years ago).
I also provide some examples of writing that Kayra generated as a proof of concept, but beware I generated those stories on the fly and aren't really proofread. They can be found at the following imgur links here (https://imgur.com/a/QC5YKKX) and here (https://imgur.com/a/gxiYmIK). You can see what the AI produced as well my instruct commands and edits.
1. Instruct Mode and Prose Augmenter. Instruct mode is new to the NovelAI update (at least I think it is). How instruct mode works is in the title: You can give specific instructions to the AI and it spits out an appropriate response. For example you can do something basic like: "Describe her appearance. Be sure to emphasize her fat butt and boobs." and it will spit out an often detailed response. You can make your instructions even more complex and it will correspondingly generate more complicated outputs. Instruct mode works great for crafting sex scenes.
Prose Augmenter is another mode that generates more detailed prose apparently. Sometimes I can't tell the difference between the text generated by Prose Augmenter or Instruct Mode, but sometimes I can see an upgrade in writing quality. Fortunately, you can swap between Instruct Mode and Prose Augmenter (or any of the other modes) on the fly.
2. Regenerating and tweaking responses. In conjunction with instruct, it is a good idea to tweak the responses that the AI spits out to gently steer it into a desired direction. For example the AI might write something like "...she bends down at the hip, giving a perfect view of her thong clad asshole." You might accept this response, but for example you may want to have the AI elaborate on this response. So you might edit the above line to read "...giving a perfect of her thong clad asshole. Sweat beads on her fat " and then feed that incomplete line back into the AI. It will try to complete that line and is helpful for getting out more lines of specific things that interest you.
Tweaking responses that the AI gives you is great for giving you ideas to direct the story since the AI itself comes up with interesting ideas and responses.
3. Presets. Kayra comes with pretty good built-in presets. You should play around with them and read the NovelAI documentation. There are also some really good presets on the NovelAI discord. I use the "Tea Time" preset by Okeri. The examples I provide were written using the Tea Time preset.
4. Lorebook. From what I can tell, the Lorebook is a powerful tool that can be used to help the AI to understand characters, lore, set-pieces, etc. before it starts writing. For example, in the examples provided I have several Lorebook entries containing information about you, your mom, and your bully, including details about basic room descriptions. Having well-developed Lorebook entries provides consistency and depth to your story.
For example, in my Lorebook entries I have information about how the mom is comfortable with her body and likes to wear revealing clothes. The AI remembers this detail when it writes responses.
It is also helpful for the AI to mimic desired writing styles if you write your Lorebook in that style. For example I would write, say, the "mom" character entry using words like MILF, fat ass, mom butt, assmeat, etc. The AI then uses these words as it writes the story, and not just for writing responses concerning the mom, but also details about other women or characters where it would make sense to write in that style.
5. Conclusion. NovelAI's Kayra model is truly fantastic. I have been having a blast with it. I have been using it to expand on my favorite CYOA or erotic text adventure games where I would like some more content. I wholeheartedly recommend trying it out.
There are some kinks with the AI. For example sometimes it can become repetitive if you have it generate a lot of text without enough input on your part. But overall I have been having a lot of fun with it. Stumbling upon NovelAI for me is kind of like discovering a new author, or game, or a fetish with loads of content to look at. It's very good.
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Great post, Beefol! I have the Scroll tier subscription, so I will get access to Kayra in about a week.Can't wait to try it out.
Have you used Clio before you started using Kayra? If so, how do they compare? I have only used Clio, and found that it can come up with some gems, but it can also come up with some extremely clunky sentences. Like: "They smiled at each other because they were happy." Also, I usually have something like: "An erotic story about ..." in memory, and it steers the characters toward fucking from the first sentence.
You can use instruction mode with Clio. Just preface your instructions with curly bracket, and remember to remove your instruction when you get your response.
About the Prose Augmenter: Can you use it to improve on existing text? Like asking it to rewrite one or more paragraphs?
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Great post, Beefol! I have the Scroll tier subscription, so I will get access to Kayra in about a week.Can't wait to try it out.
Have you used Clio before you started using Kayra? If so, how do they compare? I have only used Clio, and found that it can come up with some gems, but it can also come up with some extremely clunky sentences. Like: "They smiled at each other because they were happy." Also, I usually have something like: "An erotic story about ..." in memory, and it steers the characters toward fucking from the first sentence.
You can use instruction mode with Clio. Just preface your instructions with curly bracket, and remember to remove your instruction when you get your response.
About the Prose Augmenter: Can you use it to improve on existing text? Like asking it to rewrite one or more paragraphs?
I haven't used Clio before. I only found out about NovelAI after hearing about the buzz around Kayra when it released. But from I hear there is a pretty big difference between the two.
I will say I never have the problem of clunky sentences or uninspired descriptions with Kayra like you may have with the older models. Where I find clunkiness is that the AI may stray to overusing a literary technique which typically happens once the story becomes really long or you over rely on Prose Augmenter. For example, once the AI got in the habit of using at least 10 adjectives to describe anything. I bet the first time it did this it did it for emphatic effect, but it got old when every description would read "he was morose, sad, depressed, heartbroken, sorrowful ..." you get the picture. That being said, it is not hard to break the AI out of these habits by just writing more lines yourself or editing out the AI response's that you don't like and it will usually get back on track.
I am aware that there is the Memory and Author's Note fields but I have not learned how to use them. I do think having a detailed Lorebook is very useful to get the AI to start writing the kind of story you want in the way you want. For example, the Lorebook entry for the mother of the two stories in those examples is 743 tokens long. I am not saying this is the best practice of relying on the Lorebook in this manner, but it does help a lot I think since I notice a big difference between having a small Lorebook vs. a more detailed one. I should also reiterate that I think Kayra does a good job with innuendo and gradual development with a story. I am not really a fan of having a story dive into sex straight out the gate and Kayra can do a good job of developing a story first before segueing into sex and stuff like that. Although it is really up to you to help guide the AI through this process and this is where I think instruct commands shine.
Also it helps a lot to have a good config preset. There are sort of large differences in the kinds of responses that you get if use say Tesseract or Green Active Writer. Tea Time for Kayra is what I use and it is a lot better I think than the default presets.
For your question with Prose Augmenter I am not sure. I don't think it can do that but don't take my word on it. You may be able to accomplish that with the Generate Inline command but I haven't really had good luck with that.
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Lots of good advice here, so thank you!
The documentation seems hopelessly out of date, but I think the general advice is not to use Authors Note because it's a bit unpredictable. With my first stories I put everything in Memory, but I have started using Lorebook for all character descriptions, and it's generally good at keeping track of the people and their relations. But I'll definitely be using it for a lot more.
Have you written anything in the BFMM genre? Anything that could be published here?
Can't wait for the weekend, when Kayra should be available for the Scroll tier.
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I heard about NovelAI's new Kayra model and heard how good it is. And it is flat out good. The new model can produce prose and craft stories very well. I don't have much experience with it, I have only been playing with it for less than a week, but I can share my experience and what I have gotten out of it.
For reference, I purchased the Opus tier sub to access the latest model Kayra.
What is written below is just my experience with this AI model and a short description of some features that I think are cool. I can't speak to other AI models since I haven't tried any others (except AI Dungeon several years ago).
I also provide some examples of writing that Kayra generated as a proof of concept, but beware I generated those stories on the fly and aren't really proofread. They can be found at the following imgur links here (https://imgur.com/a/QC5YKKX) and here (https://imgur.com/a/gxiYmIK). You can see what the AI produced as well my instruct commands and edits.
1. Instruct Mode and Prose Augmenter. Instruct mode is new to the NovelAI update (at least I think it is). How instruct mode works is in the title: You can give specific instructions to the AI and it spits out an appropriate response. For example you can do something basic like: "Describe her appearance. Be sure to emphasize her fat butt and boobs." and it will spit out an often detailed response. You can make your instructions even more complex and it will correspondingly generate more complicated outputs. Instruct mode works great for crafting sex scenes.
Prose Augmenter is another mode that generates more detailed prose apparently. Sometimes I can't tell the difference between the text generated by Prose Augmenter or Instruct Mode, but sometimes I can see an upgrade in writing quality. Fortunately, you can swap between Instruct Mode and Prose Augmenter (or any of the other modes) on the fly.
2. Regenerating and tweaking responses. In conjunction with instruct, it is a good idea to tweak the responses that the AI spits out to gently steer it into a desired direction. For example the AI might write something like "...she bends down at the hip, giving a perfect view of her thong clad asshole." You might accept this response, but for example you may want to have the AI elaborate on this response. So you might edit the above line to read "...giving a perfect of her thong clad asshole. Sweat beads on her fat " and then feed that incomplete line back into the AI. It will try to complete that line and is helpful for getting out more lines of specific things that interest you.
Tweaking responses that the AI gives you is great for giving you ideas to direct the story since the AI itself comes up with interesting ideas and responses.
3. Presets. Kayra comes with pretty good built-in presets. You should play around with them and read the NovelAI documentation. There are also some really good presets on the NovelAI discord. I use the "Tea Time" preset by Okeri. The examples I provide were written using the Tea Time preset.
4. Lorebook. From what I can tell, the Lorebook is a powerful tool that can be used to help the AI to understand characters, lore, set-pieces, etc. before it starts writing. For example, in the examples provided I have several Lorebook entries containing information about you, your mom, and your bully, including details about basic room descriptions. Having well-developed Lorebook entries provides consistency and depth to your story.
For example, in my Lorebook entries I have information about how the mom is comfortable with her body and likes to wear revealing clothes. The AI remembers this detail when it writes responses.
It is also helpful for the AI to mimic desired writing styles if you write your Lorebook in that style. For example I would write, say, the "mom" character entry using words like MILF, fat ass, mom butt, assmeat, etc. The AI then uses these words as it writes the story, and not just for writing responses concerning the mom, but also details about other women or characters where it would make sense to write in that style.
5. Conclusion. NovelAI's Kayra model is truly fantastic. I have been having a blast with it. I have been using it to expand on my favorite CYOA or erotic text adventure games where I would like some more content. I wholeheartedly recommend trying it out.
There are some kinks with the AI. For example sometimes it can become repetitive if you have it generate a lot of text without enough input on your part. But overall I have been having a lot of fun with it. Stumbling upon NovelAI for me is kind of like discovering a new author, or game, or a fetish with loads of content to look at. It's very good.
You got me hooked on, and Opus subscribed, to Kayra. And that preset creates pretty crazy results, things I didnt even think of! Fun stuff...
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oobabooga, KoboldAI, and Verbai all work as Free options.
Verbai is very limited but runs off of your browser and as of right now if completely free.
Oobabooga and KonoldAi can have local installs with CPU and 8bit 4bit support for lower end hardware, but you might be forced into Linux if you’re not running specific hardware. Oobabooga is expanding its functions but is not as fleshed out as paid NovelAi. KoboldAi has a lite version that is rune off of a shared system meaning you can save and transfers for stuff from local machine to a online version(it even works on your phone)